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knowledge forbidden religion and shine a

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light on the conspiracies to keep it all

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welcome to night-vision radio

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all right that's Johnny - you guys

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probably know at least if you're an

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oldie like me you know that anyhow that

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song is apropos for our show tonight

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because we have the fantastic Lynn

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Buchanan with us tonight he's one of the

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original remote viewers recruited by the

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US military for psychic spying but

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before we bring Lynn on and I'm so

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anxious to do that because it's been a

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long time since I've had a chance to

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talk with Lynn at any great length I

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want to make a couple quick

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announcements I have actually a triple

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ready alert coming because next week on

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the premiere show of Patricia Baker and

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Supernatural girls her first guest is

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going to be author Patrice chaplain and

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some of you may know about the

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connections that Patrice has made

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between the rimless Chateau mystery and

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Girona Spain and I'm sure she'll be

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talking about that and in lots lots more

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and then on night vision next week now

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supernatural Girls is on Wednesday night

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it's 7:30 Eastern and then on this show

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on night vision next week we'll have

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best-selling author Tim Wallace Murphy

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talking about the Knights Templar the

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Holy Grail with a sort of a dash of

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rennes-le-chateau mystery thrown in and

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then on the following week another

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Rennie alert where we will be revealing

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a new discovery and those revelations

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will be made by author court Lindell and

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remember miss Liberty from the movie Red

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Sonja but boy is she much much more than

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an actress that she's smart lady and a

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great researcher and you guys a lot of

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you know about courts research so I'm

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really excited they've made some amazing

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tie-ins and discoveries on the ground

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over in Europe and we're going to reveal

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them for the first time anywhere right

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here on night-vision radio and two weeks

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from tonight so I hope they'll be here

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mark it down on your calendars now

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tonight Lynn Buchanan is with us he is a

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former member of the project star

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our gate team that was set up I believe

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1978 at Fort Meade by the US military or

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Department of Defense and Lynn you can

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jump in anytime and if I'm telling a lie

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about anything which was supposedly shut

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down in 1995 now I don't really believe

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that they stopped that program

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completely I believe that the program

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probably went a little bit blacker but

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anyway and I'll see if Lynn wants to

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opine on that if not we'll all

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understand why but Lynn Buchanan thanks

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so much for being here

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well thank you for inviting me that is

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very kind of you

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well it's great as always to speak with

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you and I was just shocked when we

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figured out that it had to be at least

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spoken it's crazy how time goes it

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really really is but I do remember our

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last conversation I remember some of the

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things we were talking about they were

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pretty wild they kind of stuck in my

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dinnertime and we talked about a few

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projects and different things and you

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talked about some of the things that you

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had been into and I'm gonna leave it to

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you to reveal as much or as little as

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you want to or as you can about what we

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do with the project but I think first of

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all I was reading today about when you

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and I saw something on your website that

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said some of the details of how that

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occurred are are still classified

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yeah hmm what can you tell us about how

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it was that they found you and drafted

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you into this program okay

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ever since I was around 12 I well you've

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heard of the poltergeist children right

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the poltergeist children yeah the

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children that when they

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get emotionally upset or something

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things yes the room yeah

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that's they always get the rap of being

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mentally disturbed and all that but

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there are a lot of poltergeist children

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who are not mentally disturbed it's a

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phase they go through and they grow out

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never totally grew out of it and anyway

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I was over in Augsburg Germany doing

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programming for the u.s. army field

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station over there and they have they

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had at the time 12 countries all in the

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same field station with all their

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security computers and and all of their

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classified stuff and everything else and

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nothing tied the computers together so I

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got the job of tying the computer

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writing the software that would tie the

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computers together for 12 different

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countries

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another sergeant wanted that job but I

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got it because humbly here uh-huh I was

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a better programmer and so anyway this

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had to be back you know in the early

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days of computers this was in 1980

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thinking it was in the 70s but actually

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internet anyway but I know that a lot of

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businesses and the government were using

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computers by that time for sure

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yeah that's right yeah and we had a like

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a five-acre building that was wall to

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wall computers and so anyway the day

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came when I was to demonstrate my

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program and we had the high mucky-muck

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brass from 12 different countries

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commanding generals everything else

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sitting there in the room and I started

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my little tap dance and then

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I hit enter to show the program and the

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computer went dead and everybody in the

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room was chuckling and I turned around

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and here was this other sergeant

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standing at the doorway and he mouthed

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he pointed at me and mouthed I got you

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and I got flaming flaming me and when I

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did oh this is the classic still

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classified part an untold number of

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computers have fried all up and down the

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Russian border and the and for a still

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unclassified amount of time we had no

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surveillance against the Russians or the

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Communists or you know the whole Eastern

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Bloc and come to find out later there's

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head fried to and so anyway for an

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untold amount of time we had people

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going to shift work you know on the

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shift bus and they would report on time

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and of course they bring their crossword

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puzzle books with them or or novels or

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something and sit there for eight hours

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and read but you had to do that because

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of the sky and the sky satellites were

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always looking at us come to find out

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the Russians were doing the same because

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our spy in the sky satellites were

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always looking at them had to make it

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look like business as usual and so

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anyway the commanding general of the

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Intelligence and Security Command

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general Stubblebine got wind of it and

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psychic ability and one of those trained

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people just happened

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be at that meeting with the generals

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from the 12 countries and identified it

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and so anyway general Stubblebine came

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out to the field station and stood me at

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attention and got right up in my face

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with a scowl and said did you kill my

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computer's with your mind and all of a

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sudden it dawned on me that he already

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knew the answer and that my great great

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great grandchildren would still be

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paying for computers and and so I

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decided to lie about it and say no sir

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and I heard myself say yes sir I did

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oh and this grin came across his face

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and he said far Evon out

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have I ever got a job for you so anyway

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he took me back to DC and he wanted to

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start a unit that would use pique

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psychokinesis mmm-hmm first of all

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destroy enemy computers but with the

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long-term goal of controlling what's in

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those computers in the foreign computers

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so that you know if they fire missile at

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us we can just turn the thing around and

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send it back at him or our sinking into

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the ocean or whatever and so he then had

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to have that funded and approved by

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Congress and all and Congress said not

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no but Elmo smites of mind control and

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so they wouldn't fund it and there was

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in DC no job you know no assignment and

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so he took me over to the remote viewing

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unit and put me in there and they read

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me on you know you reading your own is

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where you

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get told highly classified information

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and have to sign a paper saying you know

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if I ever tell anything classified it's

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ten years in jail and $10,000 fine so

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anyway they tell me what they did and I

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thought I'm on candid camera here by the

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way it was April April Fool's Day nog

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loss and they were reading me on to all

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this stuff that you know they were

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psychic spies and all that and and the

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theater the comic of the whole thing was

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just inexpressible but anyway that's how

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I got into the unit and if you saw the

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movie the men who stare at goats yeah

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we're Lyn Cassady guild computers and

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general Hapgood I think it is in the

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movie

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general good says did you kill my

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computer that was me yeah oh that's

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funny that is wild

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well yeah I was gonna say when you were

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talking about that computer stuff that

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sounded a lot more like psychokinesis

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and so which I would have I would

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imagine had would come in very handy in

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the sort of area of remote influencing

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well the fact is that Congress got

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caught back in the 60s with mind control

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and stuff like that and there are

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actually laws against it now and this is

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why they refused to let general

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Stubblebine set up that PK unit and we

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were never allowed to do what they what

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they now term active mental work

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it was always passive mental work like

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viewing like viewing and collecting

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intelligence yeah but we were we were

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Pressley forbidden to do active mental

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work remote influencing and all hmm well

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what what would there be besides

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influencing and viewing is there

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something else that they would have

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considered active mental work I'm sure

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I'm sure there is but probably most of

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the influent or of influencing yeah yeah

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general Stubblebine of course was he got

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the nickname spoon bender Stubblebine oh

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gosh I have seen the forks and things

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that he has bent with his mind where

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each time on the fork is not curled

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twisted as though it spirals outward and

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he would do this with his thumb and

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finger he would get the the forks so

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pliable that he could think his thumb

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and finger and just corkscrew one of

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these you know the tines yeah and and

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I'm sure that that would come under

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active mental work anytime there's been

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a thing about something like that the

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question always comes up in military

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circles of well can you bend two tank

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barrels can you bend the barrels of

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weapons can you affect the triggering

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mechanism of torpedoes and things like

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that and so this again comes under pique

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you know yeah that good mental work yeah

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now I mean you said just a few minutes

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ago that part of the story that you were

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telling is part of the unclassified

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stuff I mean a part of the classified

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stuff so it's no longer classified the

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parts that are still classified

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I still don't tell okay that's what I

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was getting is you know telling the

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classified part now what you know let's

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say are we looking at like an iceberg

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where we only know a tip of what it is

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and there's this huge amount of

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information that we don't know or won't

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be able to know because of its

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classification the information about the

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controlled remote viewing unit has been

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made available to the Freedom of

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Information Act and I think for forty

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seven dollars or something like that you

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can get I think it's seven disks that

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have all the information on it that has

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been unclassified but yeah there's a lot

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that's not on it for example who were

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our customers right you know and and

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what work would did we do for those

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customers and what major military and

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governmental projects did we work on by

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name that's that's never gonna come out

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yeah well and you know in 1995 obviously

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they did their best to sort of minimize

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what had been accomplished by Project

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Star Gate in the remote viewing team but

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of course they would have done that had

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they wanted to keep secrets so it's like

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a lot of people say oh they never

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accomplished anything but of course

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they're a large number of us who say

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wait a minute if they were accomplishing

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something we wouldn't have known so much

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about it that's right yeah and we had to

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be funded every year or else every year

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we just we went away and for I think a

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total of close to about 22 years we had

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to prove ourselves with actual

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facts actual records and actual

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demonstrations in fact and every year

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1992-93 somewhere around there the CIA

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came out and said yes there was a

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project like that but it was uneffective

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and you know ineffective and didn't work

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and all and you know what a crock yeah

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we had actually one of the highest

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accuracy rates of any intelligence

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service in the field of intelligence

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really oh yeah and part of that was

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because you know satellites can't see

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inside of a building well we can write

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satellites can't tell the plans and

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intentions or even ground agents can

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always tell the plans and intentions of

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foreign leaders for tomorrow's battle

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plan or whatever what we can and with a

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high rate of accuracy and so basically

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what it was was that all of the gaps in

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the intelligence field we could fill and

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and not only that but for the

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intelligence field you know every unit

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has to have equipment and personnel well

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in our unit the personnel were the

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equipment so they got is really cheap

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they got more bang for their buck that's

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funny

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well you know you said it was

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interesting you said you you had to sort

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of make the grade in order to get that

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funding every year that makes perfect

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sense because we know how these things

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go

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now you said part of the classified

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information was who your clients were

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was

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also classified as to how you were

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getting paid I guess it would have been

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by those very clients that you can't

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really name well I have no idea about

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that I mean it was all military and

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government so whatever money passed back

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and forth between units I you know I was

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a viewer I was the database manager and

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and trainer in the unit and so that

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stuff was so far above my paygrade that

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then you know thought about that in fact

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I wonder if anyone has ever followed the

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money trail or tried to probably be

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impossible I imagine it would you by

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this time I should by this time well I

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want to get into some of the projects

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that you worked on if you can for the

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military you know I know there's some

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pretty exciting things that you were

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able to accomplish can you tell us about

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maybe one instance where you applied

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remote viewing in a in a case for the US

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military okay the battle in Grenada yes

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the landing and and all that we we gave

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guidance in that as to where to land

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we're not to land where the defenses

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were and where they weren't we did a lot

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of drug interdiction and in fact one

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time in the period of two weeks we were

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directly responsible for eighty two

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million dollars in drug seizures over

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and above the norm mm-hmm of course we

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did military we did look inside

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developments one that I did when they

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were driving Hussein's troops out of

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Kuwait they had basically two or three

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different routes that they could have

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done it and I said I did the what would

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happen in each of those routes and the

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stuff I turned in said do not drive them

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straight north because if you do they're

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going to set all of those oil wells on

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fire and they just didn't believe that

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they would do that and sure enough they

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did and this is what happened that is

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what happened and you know I had turned

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it in as a warning now the fact is

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though that the intelligence effort is

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not going to send the troops out on any

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one person or one event or anything like

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that you know they have to have backup

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with fine the sky satellites ground

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agents yeah radio radio traffic and

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stuff like that and it's all got to

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match before they will really act so

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they never you know people say well what

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operations did you do we did a lot of

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operations but our intelligence went

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into a big pot here and that big melting

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pot you know if we said something they

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would look at their other forms of

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intelligence gathering to see if there

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was any confirmation and all that and so

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we acted many times as a guide to

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intelligence collection but they would

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never send the troops out on the word of

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the psychic spy killer and I personally

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glad because you know we didn't have a

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hundred percent accuracy rate well that

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would have been a hell

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load to carry wouldn't it knowing that

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you know you were going to be calling

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the shots yeah it makes sense that they

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would you know combine it with other

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intelligence-gathering methods you know

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perfect sense and then it's also a good

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way of testing it out overtime junket

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well that guy was right on that one this

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other this other line didn't produce

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correct information but these guys did

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now

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how many were there actually on the team

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when you were there that were actual

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viewers at any one time through all of

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those all of those years I think the

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most we ever had was six viewers I knew

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it was a very small number I mean it

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seems to be some confusion out there as

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to you know who was a viewer who was a

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monitor who was this who was that well

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yeah I mean we were we were in an

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abandoned building over an abandoned

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partner made and I mean the the building

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we were in had been condemned after

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World War two we had to bring in our own

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air conditioners and things like that

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and so we didn't exist and so like I was

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the property book holder I was

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responsible for all the property that

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was there and in fact a lot of the

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property that was there we had to go

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down to property disposal and bid

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are you trying to tell me you guys had

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to wear different hearts yeah I was the

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company driver

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I was the company database manager I was

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a teach the trainer of new people coming

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in and a fewer and a monitor and project

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manager and you know everybody had to

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wear every hat in the office at one time

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or another yeah oh I see what you're

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saying well maybe that's why the

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confusion because I admittedly you know

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had some confusion about what what

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different people did but you know what

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we're gonna take a break and when we

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come back we're gonna have more from

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Lynne Buchanan and controlled remote

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the military and since the military with

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some really interesting stuff so hang in

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dream Lodge and laughs that's d-r-e am

548
00:32:26,710 --> 00:31:47,270
you're locked into Inception Radio

549
00:32:31,099 --> 00:32:29,269
welcome back to night vision radio I'm

550
00:32:34,580 --> 00:32:31,109
your host Renee Barnett and tonight

551
00:32:37,220 --> 00:32:34,590
we're talking with wind buchanan he was

552
00:32:41,450 --> 00:32:37,230
a remote viewer for the US military in

553
00:32:45,379 --> 00:32:41,460
Project Star Gate and he's also carried

554
00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:45,389
that practice on into civilian life and

555
00:32:49,729 --> 00:32:48,210
we're gonna get into some of that and

556
00:32:51,379 --> 00:32:49,739
maybe a little bit more of the military

557
00:32:59,210 --> 00:32:51,389
but also what he's been doing since the

558
00:33:05,479 --> 00:32:59,220
military so Lynn when you you you left

559
00:33:10,009 --> 00:33:05,489
before 95 right or yeah I retired in 92

560
00:33:14,509 --> 00:33:10,019
92 and then when you heard about were

561
00:33:16,639 --> 00:33:14,519
you contacted at all before they went

562
00:33:19,669 --> 00:33:16,649
public and said okay yeah we had this

563
00:33:23,989 --> 00:33:19,679
program but we're not doing it anymore

564
00:33:28,159 --> 00:33:23,999
in 1995 did you have some kind of had

565
00:33:30,739 --> 00:33:28,169
heads-up on that okay when you said

566
00:33:34,879 --> 00:33:30,749
contacted I was going to say by whom but

567
00:33:38,539 --> 00:33:34,889
no I didn't have any heads-up on that it

568
00:33:43,310 --> 00:33:38,549
was kind of a surprise to me but when I

569
00:33:45,489 --> 00:33:43,320
read the CIA statement you know that was

570
00:33:50,499 --> 00:33:45,499
no surprise they were just saying that

571
00:33:56,989 --> 00:33:53,599
that's really wild yeah it's exactly

572
00:33:59,899 --> 00:33:56,999
what you would expect him to say to deny

573
00:34:02,930 --> 00:33:59,909
things you know but just the fact that

574
00:34:04,999 --> 00:34:02,940
they were actually you know admitting

575
00:34:08,299 --> 00:34:05,009
that they had had such a program I guess

576
00:34:11,089 --> 00:34:08,309
was a surprise to some people but nobody

577
00:34:15,260 --> 00:34:11,099
said to you hey get ready because this

578
00:34:17,539 --> 00:34:15,270
is all going to come out now no I would

579
00:34:21,980 --> 00:34:17,549
I would have imagined that you would

580
00:34:24,379 --> 00:34:21,990
have started to get contacted by media

581
00:34:27,409 --> 00:34:24,389
people and things like that or other

582
00:34:29,690 --> 00:34:27,419
interested people or when they made that

583
00:34:31,430 --> 00:34:29,700
public was it a while before your names

584
00:34:37,789 --> 00:34:31,440
your individual names started leaking

585
00:34:38,180 --> 00:34:37,799
out no it was pretty soon finding out

586
00:34:42,619 --> 00:34:38,190
who

587
00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:42,629
and so on and I started the first

588
00:34:49,809 --> 00:34:46,770
remote-viewing website trying to get

589
00:34:56,089 --> 00:34:49,819
some real fact out there but that was

590
00:34:57,620 --> 00:34:56,099
swamped by all they only told about

591
00:35:00,950 --> 00:34:57,630
remote viewing was that it was a

592
00:35:05,210 --> 00:35:00,960
scientifically proven form of psychic

593
00:35:07,220 --> 00:35:05,220
work and so all of a sudden every

594
00:35:09,859 --> 00:35:07,230
psychic in the world was a remote viewer

595
00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:09,869
and they had no idea what remote viewing

596
00:35:16,430 --> 00:35:13,410
was but it was scientific so they jumped

597
00:35:19,490 --> 00:35:16,440
on that bandwagon and we had crystal

598
00:35:22,609 --> 00:35:19,500
ball remote viewers and palm remote

599
00:35:25,940 --> 00:35:22,619
viewers and pendulum remote viewers and

600
00:35:30,109 --> 00:35:25,950
and a lot of that still going on today

601
00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:30,119
oh by people who have never really taken

602
00:35:36,859 --> 00:35:33,170
the time to learn what remote viewing

603
00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:36,869
actually is and it is a scientific

604
00:35:45,140 --> 00:35:42,290
method there's no voodoo no whoo-whoo no

605
00:35:48,140 --> 00:35:45,150
your head doesn't spin around your eyes

606
00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:48,150
don't row back you know no trances don't

607
00:35:53,809 --> 00:35:50,810
don't take all the fun out of it when

608
00:35:56,510 --> 00:35:53,819
when when people come to learn

609
00:35:59,380 --> 00:35:56,520
controlled remote viewing for me and

610
00:36:03,140 --> 00:35:59,390
they come with all these preconceptions

611
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:03,150
they they really get disappointed when

612
00:36:07,660 --> 00:36:05,010
they have to drop those perceptions and

613
00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:07,670
then they tried the remote viewing and

614
00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:11,490
they're so glad they hate and they they

615
00:36:19,190 --> 00:36:15,810
dump those perceptions because it is so

616
00:36:22,370 --> 00:36:19,200
much more fascinating than voodoo and

617
00:36:26,930 --> 00:36:22,380
woowoo and you know it's amazing what

618
00:36:29,569 --> 00:36:26,940
the human mind can do I do remember

619
00:36:33,170 --> 00:36:29,579
back in the 90s when you're right

620
00:36:36,980 --> 00:36:33,180
suddenly everyone was a remote viewer

621
00:36:40,510 --> 00:36:36,990
and then I remember I did have friends

622
00:36:45,500 --> 00:36:40,520
that really got into interested in

623
00:36:47,599 --> 00:36:45,510
remote viewing you know from some of the

624
00:36:50,220 --> 00:36:47,609
information that had been released about

625
00:36:52,349 --> 00:36:50,230
the government program

626
00:36:53,819 --> 00:36:52,359
and I knew people that were taking

627
00:36:56,130 --> 00:36:53,829
training and some that we're taking

628
00:37:00,060 --> 00:36:56,140
training from you and I quickly found

629
00:37:02,700 --> 00:37:00,070
out wasn't easy wasn't easy and it was

630
00:37:04,589 --> 00:37:02,710
time-consuming and I thought oh my god

631
00:37:06,930 --> 00:37:04,599
oh never I would never be able to do it

632
00:37:09,630 --> 00:37:06,940
because I my attention span would you

633
00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:09,640
know be too big because a lot of the

634
00:37:16,290 --> 00:37:11,410
controlled remote viewing is actually

635
00:37:18,690 --> 00:37:16,300
based on the martial arts because one of

636
00:37:20,339 --> 00:37:18,700
the major concepts behind controlled

637
00:37:26,609 --> 00:37:20,349
remote viewing is that your subconscious

638
00:37:29,099 --> 00:37:26,619
has access not only to your own past and

639
00:37:30,540 --> 00:37:29,109
your own present and why you do the

640
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:30,550
things you don't want to do but you do

641
00:37:37,710 --> 00:37:33,010
anyway you know and where your car keys

642
00:37:40,230 --> 00:37:37,720
are but also to the universe the problem

643
00:37:47,819 --> 00:37:40,240
is that the subconscious rarely ever

644
00:37:50,069 --> 00:37:47,829
talks to the conscious mind but the the

645
00:37:52,410 --> 00:37:50,079
thing that Ingo Swann found out about

646
00:37:55,890 --> 00:37:52,420
was that the subconscious talks to the

647
00:38:00,000 --> 00:37:55,900
body and the conscious talks to the body

648
00:38:03,450 --> 00:38:00,010
and so you know the old karate wax on

649
00:38:05,910 --> 00:38:03,460
wipe off and all that mm-hmm and you

650
00:38:07,349 --> 00:38:05,920
learn that consciously but you get in

651
00:38:10,500 --> 00:38:07,359
the fight and your subconscious takes

652
00:38:15,059 --> 00:38:10,510
over and and the movements that you have

653
00:38:18,240 --> 00:38:15,069
practiced save you you know and and so

654
00:38:24,210 --> 00:38:18,250
the control room of viewing is actually

655
00:38:26,099 --> 00:38:24,220
based on getting the body to act as a

656
00:38:27,990 --> 00:38:26,109
communicator between the conscious and

657
00:38:32,069 --> 00:38:28,000
subconscious mind and we have a way

658
00:38:35,160 --> 00:38:32,079
where we can think of a question do a

659
00:38:37,980 --> 00:38:35,170
physical act and that gets a question

660
00:38:41,130 --> 00:38:37,990
over to the subconscious it will come

661
00:38:44,059 --> 00:38:41,140
back with the physical act and we say

662
00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:44,069
okay I know the meaning of that and

663
00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:47,530
consciously write it down so it's very

664
00:38:57,390 --> 00:38:50,770
much a martial art and when you get into

665
00:39:04,160 --> 00:38:57,400
the higher stages on even mid a basic

666
00:39:12,059 --> 00:39:07,890
not textual information or anything like

667
00:39:14,579 --> 00:39:12,069
that or or you know put the envelope to

668
00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:14,589
your forehead and say the answer is what

669
00:39:22,079 --> 00:39:17,050
you get back is colors and smells and

670
00:39:24,750 --> 00:39:22,089
tastes and textures but you learn to you

671
00:39:30,390 --> 00:39:24,760
learn in the training that you can say

672
00:39:33,270 --> 00:39:30,400
okay now move to this other desk what's

673
00:39:35,069 --> 00:39:33,280
going on there and you hear the sounds

674
00:39:37,010 --> 00:39:35,079
you hear the people talking you hear the

675
00:39:40,589 --> 00:39:37,020
their voices

676
00:39:42,180 --> 00:39:40,599
you can smell their smells oh this

677
00:39:45,660 --> 00:39:42,190
person likes pizza for lunch

678
00:39:48,240 --> 00:39:45,670
you know or whatever and and you can

679
00:39:53,010 --> 00:39:48,250
collect a ton of intelligence that will

680
00:39:56,069 --> 00:39:53,020
then go to an analyst somewhere and they

681
00:39:59,040 --> 00:39:56,079
could do personality profiles and all

682
00:40:02,730 --> 00:39:59,050
kinds of information that helps in the

683
00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:02,740
intelligence center mmm Isis so

684
00:40:10,530 --> 00:40:08,410
interesting now in working for the the

685
00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:10,540
military I know that you said you were

686
00:40:20,640 --> 00:40:18,150
remote viewing

687
00:40:24,030 --> 00:40:20,650
not in remote influencing or anything

688
00:40:26,359 --> 00:40:24,040
like that there's now yeah right

689
00:40:31,740 --> 00:40:26,369
right past the mental work excuse me so

690
00:40:36,870 --> 00:40:31,750
were you ever asked if you can say to

691
00:40:41,430 --> 00:40:36,880
look at anything that was like the alien

692
00:40:46,260 --> 00:40:41,440
questioned by the military oh okay that

693
00:40:49,859 --> 00:40:46,270
last little clause there by the military

694
00:40:50,460 --> 00:40:49,869
absolutely not the government okay the

695
00:40:52,049 --> 00:40:50,470
government

696
00:40:54,030 --> 00:40:52,059
that's right er I've been saying

697
00:40:58,049 --> 00:40:54,040
military too much tonight cuz it wasn't

698
00:41:02,630 --> 00:40:58,059
just the military no it was the whole

699
00:41:08,539 --> 00:41:02,640
government yeah yeah by the government

700
00:41:13,349 --> 00:41:08,549
we were never officially tasked with

701
00:41:16,080 --> 00:41:13,359
alien stuff and I'm choosing my words

702
00:41:23,940 --> 00:41:19,440
and so if the question comes up were we

703
00:41:27,200 --> 00:41:23,950
ever tasked with alien stuff then the

704
00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:27,210
answer is we were never officially

705
00:41:34,620 --> 00:41:29,650
tasked with aliens

706
00:41:38,010 --> 00:41:34,630
okay now the analogy here is let's say

707
00:41:40,140 --> 00:41:38,020
you have a car repair shop in DC and a

708
00:41:42,030 --> 00:41:40,150
congressman comes in and your work on

709
00:41:46,470 --> 00:41:42,040
his car does that mean you're working

710
00:41:48,600 --> 00:41:46,480
for the government right okay then

711
00:41:50,910 --> 00:41:48,610
you're working for the congressman and

712
00:41:55,350 --> 00:41:50,920
if a congressman comes in and privately

713
00:41:57,630 --> 00:41:55,360
ask you a question you're not officially

714
00:42:01,650 --> 00:41:57,640
tasked with it

715
00:42:04,830 --> 00:42:01,660
got it okay so let's say that you might

716
00:42:08,660 --> 00:42:04,840
have been unofficially looking into

717
00:42:13,470 --> 00:42:08,670
something but at the request of someone

718
00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:13,480
who may or may not be connected with and

719
00:42:22,380 --> 00:42:18,570
you're learning here are you able to

720
00:42:28,380 --> 00:42:22,390
give them a satisfactory response that

721
00:42:33,990 --> 00:42:28,390
contained content about alien contact

722
00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:34,000
well sure yeah what can you say about

723
00:42:44,250 --> 00:42:39,810
that that it was extremely interesting

724
00:42:48,780 --> 00:42:44,260
and we found a lot of stuff that once

725
00:42:54,360 --> 00:42:48,790
again was provided for guidance and

726
00:43:00,690 --> 00:42:54,370
further studies our further research or

727
00:43:03,060 --> 00:43:00,700
further to further to guide and further

728
00:43:09,690 --> 00:43:03,070
the interest of the person who had asked

729
00:43:14,970 --> 00:43:09,700
mm-hmm and they for no answer well yeah

730
00:43:20,210 --> 00:43:14,980
that thanks a lot no the what is it if

731
00:43:23,390 --> 00:43:20,220
anything that you can say about an

732
00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:23,400
extraterrestrial or alien

733
00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:27,010
other-dimensional presence on the planet

734
00:43:33,360 --> 00:43:29,770
is there information that you

735
00:43:39,210 --> 00:43:33,370
feel you've been able to glean that you

736
00:43:42,140 --> 00:43:39,220
can share well yeah there's alien

737
00:43:48,810 --> 00:43:42,150
presence on our planet yeah of course

738
00:43:53,490 --> 00:43:48,820
and the 80s are real the flying saucers

739
00:44:03,600 --> 00:43:53,500
if you want to have it is real and a lot

740
00:44:05,910 --> 00:44:03,610
of the physics as in physics class in

741
00:44:10,440 --> 00:44:05,920
school you know a lot of the physical

742
00:44:14,910 --> 00:44:10,450
principles and scientific principles can

743
00:44:18,560 --> 00:44:14,920
be uncovered that way and we've gained

744
00:44:22,710 --> 00:44:18,570
some pretty good understanding actually

745
00:44:35,900 --> 00:44:22,720
from alien intelligence are you sure

746
00:44:39,240 --> 00:44:35,910
yeah what's the big secret I mean why

747
00:44:40,950 --> 00:44:39,250
you know if when I ask you is there an

748
00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:40,960
alien presence you said well of course

749
00:44:45,510 --> 00:44:42,370
there is

750
00:44:48,540 --> 00:44:45,520
well if of course and what's the big

751
00:44:49,800 --> 00:44:48,550
secret why is it I mean it's like oh

752
00:44:51,960 --> 00:44:49,810
well they don't want to frighten people

753
00:44:53,190 --> 00:44:51,970
well I'm sorry I just don't believe they

754
00:44:55,770 --> 00:44:53,200
care that much

755
00:44:57,690 --> 00:44:55,780
no they don't about the population and

756
00:44:59,460 --> 00:44:57,700
then it's like oh well you know people

757
00:45:02,040 --> 00:44:59,470
would be worrying and focusing on that

758
00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:02,050
enemy what they do nobody seems to be

759
00:45:09,600 --> 00:45:03,970
worried about all the other enemies that

760
00:45:11,640 --> 00:45:09,610
we're focusing on so what is it why is

761
00:45:14,970 --> 00:45:11,650
it that it's being kept a big secret

762
00:45:18,600 --> 00:45:14,980
still well there there's a lot of

763
00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:18,610
technology for one thing that is

764
00:45:23,040 --> 00:45:20,010
different from ours

765
00:45:27,630 --> 00:45:23,050
now notice I didn't say more advanced I

766
00:45:31,410 --> 00:45:27,640
said different from ours and on their

767
00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:31,420
part there's a lot of human technology

768
00:45:40,320 --> 00:45:36,010
that's different from theirs and so this

769
00:45:42,120 --> 00:45:40,330
is sort of a mutual mutual friendship

770
00:45:50,609 --> 00:45:42,130
type Club

771
00:45:53,940 --> 00:45:50,619
and I'm sure there are all kinds of

772
00:45:56,430 --> 00:45:53,950
reasons I haven't been told all of them

773
00:46:00,299 --> 00:45:56,440
but I do know about the technology

774
00:46:02,999 --> 00:46:00,309
transfer and that it's very interesting

775
00:46:07,789 --> 00:46:03,009
some some good stuff is being

776
00:46:12,900 --> 00:46:07,799
transferred some good understandings and

777
00:46:14,819 --> 00:46:12,910
is there going to be a time when we are

778
00:46:20,150 --> 00:46:14,829
going to know this are we able to work

779
00:46:23,099 --> 00:46:20,160
with these other intelligences or is I

780
00:46:25,289 --> 00:46:23,109
mean are they gonna be part of us being

781
00:46:27,989 --> 00:46:25,299
able to colonize and other on other

782
00:46:30,180 --> 00:46:27,999
planets and that sort of thing or is it

783
00:46:31,410 --> 00:46:30,190
going to be an adversarial situation it

784
00:46:33,170 --> 00:46:31,420
would seem like if it was going to be

785
00:46:37,140 --> 00:46:33,180
adversarial we would already know that

786
00:46:43,019 --> 00:46:37,150
yeah they asked me to do a paper one

787
00:46:45,120 --> 00:46:43,029
time and I was given the information

788
00:46:47,789 --> 00:46:45,130
that never made it into the blue book

789
00:46:50,190 --> 00:46:47,799
because they couldn't just sort of

790
00:46:56,819 --> 00:46:50,200
explain it away as swamp gas and yeah

791
00:47:00,690 --> 00:46:56,829
the real stuff and to the tasking on

792
00:47:02,549 --> 00:47:00,700
this paper was very specific it was the

793
00:47:09,769 --> 00:47:02,559
different types of aliens that they know

794
00:47:13,459 --> 00:47:09,779
about and as relates to psychic ability

795
00:47:16,529 --> 00:47:13,469
now that's all the paper was about and

796
00:47:21,829 --> 00:47:16,539
what I found out going through all of

797
00:47:26,269 --> 00:47:21,839
these records and and you know

798
00:47:31,349 --> 00:47:26,279
interviews and things like that was that

799
00:47:36,479 --> 00:47:31,359
you can basically divide the aliens into

800
00:47:38,249 --> 00:47:36,489
four groups that's not so you know the

801
00:47:41,069 --> 00:47:38,259
greys are going to be in each group and

802
00:47:43,430 --> 00:47:41,079
the insectoids and all that or whatever

803
00:47:47,819 --> 00:47:43,440
are going to be in each group but

804
00:47:49,559 --> 00:47:47,829
according to psychic ability among the

805
00:47:54,209 --> 00:47:49,569
aliens you can divide them into four

806
00:47:55,920 --> 00:47:54,219
groups one is the friendly versus the

807
00:47:59,400 --> 00:47:55,930
unfriendly

808
00:48:01,769 --> 00:47:59,410
and in each of those two groups

809
00:48:07,289 --> 00:48:01,779
you've got the psychic and the non

810
00:48:11,220 --> 00:48:07,299
psychic and the non psychic unfriendly

811
00:48:13,440 --> 00:48:11,230
ones tend not to come here we have guns

812
00:48:19,589 --> 00:48:13,450
and we shoot them down and that's

813
00:48:22,769 --> 00:48:19,599
happened the friendly non-psychic ones

814
00:48:25,140 --> 00:48:22,779
come here for trade and there are a lot

815
00:48:30,029 --> 00:48:25,150
of them here and we're making trades and

816
00:48:37,200 --> 00:48:30,039
we're doing deals what confused me was

817
00:48:40,410 --> 00:48:37,210
the the friendly psychic ones they're

818
00:48:45,599 --> 00:48:40,420
doing trades too but but they want us to

819
00:48:47,309 --> 00:48:45,609
develop our psychic ability and I you

820
00:48:48,839 --> 00:48:47,319
know and they're the ones who keep

821
00:48:51,299 --> 00:48:48,849
saying oh you've got to have peace

822
00:48:54,079 --> 00:48:51,309
you've got to you know you've got to

823
00:48:56,370 --> 00:48:54,089
change humanity and all that the

824
00:48:58,410 --> 00:48:56,380
unfriendly psychic so they're they're

825
00:49:01,319 --> 00:48:58,420
really are extraterrestrials that are

826
00:49:04,760 --> 00:49:01,329
saying that oh yeah yeah and what do

827
00:49:07,950 --> 00:49:04,770
they look like like I say there's

828
00:49:11,160 --> 00:49:07,960
different ones different different types

829
00:49:15,240 --> 00:49:11,170
in each of these groups oh I see okay

830
00:49:18,799 --> 00:49:15,250
and the unfriendly psychic ones they

831
00:49:23,910 --> 00:49:18,809
just want us dead wiped off the planet

832
00:49:28,200 --> 00:49:23,920
no questions asked no excuses just kill

833
00:49:32,150 --> 00:49:28,210
every human on the planet and I couldn't

834
00:49:37,490 --> 00:49:32,160
figure out why until I came to this one

835
00:49:40,559 --> 00:49:37,500
encounter and I won't go into it but

836
00:49:46,559 --> 00:49:40,569
what I found out from this one encounter

837
00:49:49,220 --> 00:49:46,569
was that the psychic aliens have

838
00:49:53,640 --> 00:49:49,230
stronger psychic abilities than we have

839
00:49:56,099 --> 00:49:53,650
hmm but they don't have any range the

840
00:50:01,680 --> 00:49:56,109
ship has to be right over the top of you

841
00:50:05,490 --> 00:50:01,690
or right next to you in order to control

842
00:50:09,480 --> 00:50:05,500
you psychically and all this and you

843
00:50:12,870 --> 00:50:09,490
know at any range their ability is

844
00:50:16,560 --> 00:50:12,880
just diminishes and drastically well

845
00:50:20,520 --> 00:50:16,570
humans have very weak psychic ability

846
00:50:23,330 --> 00:50:20,530
but we can see across the universe as

847
00:50:29,100 --> 00:50:23,340
easily as we can see across the room and

848
00:50:31,680 --> 00:50:29,110
so the friendly ones know that if we

849
00:50:35,400 --> 00:50:31,690
develop our psychic ability we will be a

850
00:50:40,170 --> 00:50:35,410
formidable power in the universe once we

851
00:50:43,940 --> 00:50:40,180
get out there the unruly ones know the

852
00:50:46,109 --> 00:50:43,950
same thing that's why they want us dead

853
00:50:51,600 --> 00:50:46,119
they don't want us out there

854
00:50:57,359 --> 00:50:51,610
and so because you know we can see him

855
00:51:00,960 --> 00:50:57,369
coming years and miles away Wow and so

856
00:51:02,580 --> 00:51:00,970
and so this was the paper this was the

857
00:51:07,520 --> 00:51:02,590
conclusion I wrote in that paper and

858
00:51:10,200 --> 00:51:07,530
turned it in and it disappeared into the

859
00:51:14,370 --> 00:51:10,210
the government paperwork somewhere I've

860
00:51:16,980 --> 00:51:14,380
never heard of that paper again but and

861
00:51:20,820 --> 00:51:16,990
when when did you do that Lin

862
00:51:23,130 --> 00:51:20,830
this was back actually after I got out

863
00:51:27,510 --> 00:51:23,140
of service oh okay

864
00:51:31,830 --> 00:51:27,520
I was still doing once I got out of

865
00:51:34,830 --> 00:51:31,840
service many of the people in government

866
00:51:38,660 --> 00:51:34,840
who wanted this training and knew that

867
00:51:43,230 --> 00:51:38,670
we were doing it and couldn't get it

868
00:51:45,780 --> 00:51:43,240
started contacting me and so well I was

869
00:51:51,359 --> 00:51:45,790
I was able to do the training for

870
00:51:53,460 --> 00:51:51,369
government and military leaders who were

871
00:52:00,570 --> 00:51:53,470
not able to get it while I was in

872
00:52:04,830 --> 00:52:00,580
service the there was great interest in

873
00:52:07,170 --> 00:52:04,840
it hmm that's really well do you mind if

874
00:52:12,599 --> 00:52:07,180
I toss a question to you from the chat

875
00:52:15,930 --> 00:52:12,609
room no great duress he said ask him

876
00:52:18,540 --> 00:52:15,940
about the one item they created it

877
00:52:23,410 --> 00:52:18,550
cannot be viewed I believe he has it in

878
00:52:27,160 --> 00:52:23,420
his possession yes I do what is it

879
00:52:31,289 --> 00:52:27,170
it's called the story stone and it sits

880
00:52:35,170 --> 00:52:31,299
in a it sits in my bookcase in here and

881
00:52:38,319 --> 00:52:35,180
the thing is from the first day I got

882
00:52:42,990 --> 00:52:38,329
there I found out that one of the

883
00:52:47,049 --> 00:52:43,000
reasons the remote-viewing project was

884
00:52:49,599 --> 00:52:47,059
started was not in order to collect

885
00:52:53,440 --> 00:52:49,609
intelligence but to find out how to

886
00:52:56,410 --> 00:52:53,450
block the already very proficient

887
00:52:58,750 --> 00:52:56,420
russian effort Russia and her secrets

888
00:53:02,559 --> 00:52:58,760
yeah and they were stealing our secrets

889
00:53:05,680 --> 00:53:02,569
with their psychic spies and so one of

890
00:53:09,329 --> 00:53:05,690
the major reasons for us starting the

891
00:53:13,740 --> 00:53:09,339
unit was to find out how to prevent a

892
00:53:20,650 --> 00:53:13,750
psychic from getting information and and

893
00:53:23,890 --> 00:53:20,660
so anyway we developed a method for

894
00:53:29,069 --> 00:53:23,900
doing that and we use that methodology

895
00:53:34,000 --> 00:53:29,079
on one place one person and one object

896
00:53:37,120 --> 00:53:34,010
you know place people and things and as

897
00:53:40,420 --> 00:53:37,130
a as a test well the object was a

898
00:53:43,539 --> 00:53:40,430
personal possession of mine and people

899
00:53:46,480 --> 00:53:43,549
can view the object and physically

900
00:53:49,059 --> 00:53:46,490
describe it extremely well in fact there

901
00:53:51,520 --> 00:53:49,069
are pictures of it there's a picture of

902
00:53:56,020 --> 00:53:51,530
it in my book and there are pictures of

903
00:54:01,859 --> 00:53:56,030
it on the internet and all that but the

904
00:54:06,539 --> 00:54:01,869
history of that object is what we

905
00:54:11,339 --> 00:54:06,549
decided on as the specific thing and

906
00:54:13,960 --> 00:54:11,349
when a even in an advanced remote viewer

907
00:54:17,200 --> 00:54:13,970
will try to get the history of that

908
00:54:20,230 --> 00:54:17,210
object first of all they run into just

909
00:54:23,799 --> 00:54:20,240
about every problem that they can well

910
00:54:28,569 --> 00:54:23,809
that's going to knock 90% of the viewers

911
00:54:33,460 --> 00:54:28,579
out they'll just give up if viewer

912
00:54:37,170 --> 00:54:33,470
continues going they'll generally get

913
00:54:41,640 --> 00:54:37,180
the giggles and you know

914
00:54:45,470 --> 00:54:41,650
I see it as white and just giggle and

915
00:54:48,690 --> 00:54:45,480
Google and that destroys their session

916
00:54:52,290 --> 00:54:48,700
for the remaining ones that stick all

917
00:54:57,420 --> 00:54:52,300
the way through that all of a sudden the

918
00:55:01,320 --> 00:54:57,430
viewing gets to be great and and it goes

919
00:55:05,210 --> 00:55:01,330
smoothly they get information and they

920
00:55:09,750 --> 00:55:05,220
get an entire history of the story stone

921
00:55:11,640 --> 00:55:09,760
that's completely wrong and the reason

922
00:55:14,150 --> 00:55:11,650
we call it the story stone is because

923
00:55:18,330 --> 00:55:14,160
it's a different story every single time

924
00:55:21,210 --> 00:55:18,340
and you view the history of the story

925
00:55:23,220 --> 00:55:21,220
stone and I've had a lot of people say

926
00:55:25,710 --> 00:55:23,230
okay well tell me what's right and what

927
00:55:27,840 --> 00:55:25,720
I found and what's wrong and no I'm not

928
00:55:32,280 --> 00:55:27,850
going to let people nickel and dime me

929
00:55:35,370 --> 00:55:32,290
to death you know and so I've made the

930
00:55:37,760 --> 00:55:35,380
the deal that if somebody remote views

931
00:55:42,240 --> 00:55:37,770
the history of the story stone

932
00:55:46,710 --> 00:55:42,250
accurately if they will tell me how they

933
00:55:50,190 --> 00:55:46,720
did it I will give them the whole entire

934
00:55:53,310 --> 00:55:50,200
history of the story stone and we've had

935
00:55:55,170 --> 00:55:53,320
people tried to go back in time before

936
00:55:58,140 --> 00:55:55,180
there was protection put on the stone

937
00:56:02,430 --> 00:55:58,150
that doesn't work they've tried to go

938
00:56:05,130 --> 00:56:02,440
forward in time to after the history is

939
00:56:10,980 --> 00:56:05,140
known that doesn't work they they've

940
00:56:14,760 --> 00:56:10,990
tried every neat thing and and none of

941
00:56:18,000 --> 00:56:14,770
it works and in fact if somebody puts

942
00:56:20,160 --> 00:56:18,010
like the story stone on a sheet of paper

943
00:56:23,940 --> 00:56:20,170
drops it into an envelope and seals it

944
00:56:28,860 --> 00:56:23,950
and unexpectedly I get that

945
00:56:32,510 --> 00:56:28,870
I can't view it either I mean it is the

946
00:56:35,130 --> 00:56:32,520
history of the story stone is unviewable

947
00:56:35,730 --> 00:56:35,140
what is this stone where did it come

948
00:56:39,750 --> 00:56:35,740
from

949
00:56:44,010 --> 00:56:39,760
oh you want the history of it oh I see

950
00:56:47,460 --> 00:56:44,020
okay I get it and he said there's a

951
00:56:48,000 --> 00:56:47,470
picture of it in my book the seventh

952
00:56:49,819 --> 00:56:48,010
sense

953
00:56:54,960 --> 00:56:49,829
plug plug

954
00:56:57,450 --> 00:56:54,970
the the book is the seventh sense and it

955
00:57:02,609 --> 00:56:57,460
is the only book out I think right now

956
00:57:05,880 --> 00:57:02,619
that has any guidance as to how to

957
00:57:09,599 --> 00:57:05,890
actually practice for the remote viewing

958
00:57:14,339 --> 00:57:09,609
and so on it's very factual and it's

959
00:57:19,650 --> 00:57:14,349
actually a history of my time in the

960
00:57:22,890 --> 00:57:19,660
unit and things that happened the ways

961
00:57:27,930 --> 00:57:22,900
it changed my life because this will I

962
00:57:32,990 --> 00:57:27,940
mean this really will and it's just my

963
00:57:38,299 --> 00:57:33,000
story of my experience of being in the

964
00:57:40,710 --> 00:57:38,309
US military's remote viewing unit wow

965
00:57:43,859 --> 00:57:40,720
that's amazing well I'm gonna have to

966
00:57:46,289 --> 00:57:43,869
take another break that went so fast

967
00:57:48,539 --> 00:57:46,299
MJ if he hadn't reminded me over blown

968
00:58:17,650 --> 00:57:48,549
right through it but we'll be right back

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01:02:00,970 --> 01:01:58,130
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1029
01:02:03,580 --> 01:02:00,980
and if you're just tuning in we've been

1030
01:02:06,280 --> 01:02:03,590
talking and hearing some fascinating

1031
01:02:09,310 --> 01:02:06,290
information from remote viewer Lynn

1032
01:02:12,280 --> 01:02:09,320
Buchanan he's been talking about his

1033
01:02:15,190 --> 01:02:12,290
experiences with the US government and

1034
01:02:18,820 --> 01:02:15,200
the military and also some of his

1035
01:02:21,370 --> 01:02:18,830
private experiences now Lynn I I know

1036
01:02:24,670 --> 01:02:21,380
you and I had connected at one point

1037
01:02:26,650 --> 01:02:24,680
back in 1996 when I was working on a

1038
01:02:31,840 --> 01:02:26,660
television show called strange universe

1039
01:02:34,510 --> 01:02:31,850
and you had a group that you headed up

1040
01:02:35,920 --> 01:02:34,520
at that time called you were calling the

1041
01:02:40,600 --> 01:02:35,930
assigned witness program

1042
01:02:44,490 --> 01:02:40,610
yeah that program at the request of a

1043
01:02:47,230 --> 01:02:44,500
law-enforcement agency would aid in

1044
01:02:51,490 --> 01:02:47,240
missing children's cases and murder

1045
01:02:55,720 --> 01:02:51,500
cases right yeah that name came about

1046
01:02:58,090 --> 01:02:55,730
when I was working for a doing remote

1047
01:03:02,560 --> 01:02:58,100
viewing for a detective on a police case

1048
01:03:04,720 --> 01:03:02,570
and detectives are great about getting

1049
01:03:07,600 --> 01:03:04,730
information but they're usually terrible

1050
01:03:08,980 --> 01:03:07,610
about giving it and we were back and

1051
01:03:11,250 --> 01:03:08,990
forth and back and forth of what do you

1052
01:03:15,190 --> 01:03:11,260
need what do you need good evening and

1053
01:03:18,010 --> 01:03:15,200
finally I said look if you could only

1054
01:03:19,750 --> 01:03:18,020
have one thing to help you solve this

1055
01:03:24,690 --> 01:03:19,760
case what would it be and he said a

1056
01:03:28,240 --> 01:03:24,700
witness and I said I can provide one and

1057
01:03:31,240 --> 01:03:28,250
you can see the light go on in here you

1058
01:03:34,810 --> 01:03:31,250
can see is his light go on is it eyes

1059
01:03:37,720 --> 01:03:34,820
and he said you can do that can't you

1060
01:03:40,150 --> 01:03:37,730
and I said yes we can go back in time

1061
01:03:42,700 --> 01:03:40,160
and witness things tell you what

1062
01:03:45,810 --> 01:03:42,710
happened give you details report and

1063
01:03:49,420 --> 01:03:45,820
timeline and all that and in the process

1064
01:03:51,430 --> 01:03:49,430
that can guide your investigation in the

1065
01:03:55,210 --> 01:03:51,440
way it needs to go we can find the

1066
01:04:00,150 --> 01:03:55,220
location of evidence we can find you

1067
01:04:04,990 --> 01:04:00,160
know all that stuff and so we helped him

1068
01:04:07,810 --> 01:04:05,000
but out of that one of the viewers that

1069
01:04:10,240 --> 01:04:07,820
I was using said hey why don't we make

1070
01:04:14,770 --> 01:04:10,250
this an official thing and you know just

1071
01:04:19,900 --> 01:04:14,780
call it the assigned witness program and

1072
01:04:23,800 --> 01:04:19,910
so we did that and we we wound up we

1073
01:04:27,130 --> 01:04:23,810
never advertised but the police that we

1074
01:04:28,750 --> 01:04:27,140
helped would tell their their buddies

1075
01:04:31,270 --> 01:04:28,760
and their other police departments and

1076
01:04:32,350 --> 01:04:31,280
all that we wind up with more work than

1077
01:04:36,670 --> 01:04:32,360
we can handle

1078
01:04:40,480 --> 01:04:36,680
I remember a case that I called you

1079
01:04:44,620 --> 01:04:40,490
about we were working on that program

1080
01:04:48,070 --> 01:04:44,630
and I guess I had contacted you before

1081
01:04:51,100 --> 01:04:48,080
when we were doing some articles on the

1082
01:04:53,380 --> 01:04:51,110
remote viewing program for UFO magazine

1083
01:04:55,390 --> 01:04:53,390
when I was there and then the next thing

1084
01:04:59,950 --> 01:04:55,400
I ended up doing was working on this TV

1085
01:05:03,610 --> 01:04:59,960
show and so I contacted this police

1086
01:05:06,310 --> 01:05:03,620
department who was looking for a missing

1087
01:05:10,630 --> 01:05:06,320
girl and it was in Virginia

1088
01:05:12,820 --> 01:05:10,640
and spoke with the and I think it was

1089
01:05:14,770 --> 01:05:12,830
lieutenant there or it was a lieutenant

1090
01:05:16,840 --> 01:05:14,780
or captain and I remember him because

1091
01:05:20,610 --> 01:05:16,850
his last name was Barnett just like mine

1092
01:05:23,950 --> 01:05:20,620
yeah and Spotsylvania case was

1093
01:05:26,380 --> 01:05:23,960
pottsylvania that's right and so I said

1094
01:05:28,810 --> 01:05:26,390
you know would you be interested and he

1095
01:05:32,290 --> 01:05:28,820
says absolutely so he invited you in I

1096
01:05:35,460 --> 01:05:32,300
remember you had your team do sessions

1097
01:05:40,510 --> 01:05:35,470
on this missing girl and you came up

1098
01:05:42,780 --> 01:05:40,520
with quite a amount of detail not only

1099
01:05:46,030 --> 01:05:42,790
that unfortunately that the little girl

1100
01:05:47,980 --> 01:05:46,040
would have been found dead but also the

1101
01:05:49,840 --> 01:05:47,990
way that she would be found what the

1102
01:05:51,400 --> 01:05:49,850
location looked like in the fact that

1103
01:05:55,740 --> 01:05:51,410
there was going to be a red cloth

1104
01:05:58,390 --> 01:05:55,750
hanging from a tree nearby well actually

1105
01:06:01,930 --> 01:05:58,400
that was not the girl we were looking

1106
01:06:06,430 --> 01:06:01,940
for originally we found two girls in

1107
01:06:10,900 --> 01:06:06,440
that case and the girl that was under

1108
01:06:12,640 --> 01:06:10,910
the leaves that had been burned they

1109
01:06:16,690 --> 01:06:12,650
were they were wet leaves so they didn't

1110
01:06:18,609 --> 01:06:16,700
burn completely and she had been left on

1111
01:06:20,739 --> 01:06:18,619
the ground

1112
01:06:22,870 --> 01:06:20,749
leaves have been piled up over and they

1113
01:06:26,019 --> 01:06:22,880
tried to burn the leaves it didn't but

1114
01:06:29,319 --> 01:06:26,029
there was a red cloth hanging on the

1115
01:06:32,079 --> 01:06:29,329
fence right near by that one they didn't

1116
01:06:36,309 --> 01:06:32,089
even know that girl was missing oh my

1117
01:06:40,650 --> 01:06:36,319
goodness was that Sofia

1118
01:06:43,269 --> 01:06:40,660
or was that another girl oh I don't

1119
01:06:45,819 --> 01:06:43,279
there have been so many of these cases

1120
01:06:48,819 --> 01:06:45,829
oh my bad well I've only worked on one

1121
01:06:52,059 --> 01:06:48,829
with you so it's easier for me to

1122
01:06:53,680 --> 01:06:52,069
remember somebody but I do remember that

1123
01:06:57,279 --> 01:06:53,690
you talked about a guy who would be

1124
01:06:59,529 --> 01:06:57,289
driving like a kind of a beat-up white

1125
01:07:02,430 --> 01:06:59,539
pickup truck or something like that

1126
01:07:05,410 --> 01:07:02,440
and then they did arrest the guy and

1127
01:07:08,440 --> 01:07:05,420
nothing really seemed to match up you

1128
01:07:11,650 --> 01:07:08,450
know to the details it and I thought wow

1129
01:07:14,140 --> 01:07:11,660
that's that's too bad but then what you

1130
01:07:15,579 --> 01:07:14,150
had also told the police at the time was

1131
01:07:16,450 --> 01:07:15,589
this was going to turn out to be a

1132
01:07:20,259 --> 01:07:16,460
serial killer

1133
01:07:23,410 --> 01:07:20,269
and so shortly after that two other

1134
01:07:26,589 --> 01:07:23,420
little girls were approached by the guy

1135
01:07:28,900 --> 01:07:26,599
and they managed to get away but their

1136
01:07:32,739 --> 01:07:28,910
description of him and of the vehicle

1137
01:07:35,140 --> 01:07:32,749
matched exactly what you're assigned

1138
01:07:37,299 --> 01:07:35,150
witness program had come up with and his

1139
01:07:40,809 --> 01:07:37,309
later arrest then proved everything else

1140
01:07:44,950 --> 01:07:40,819
out as well yeah and the funny part on

1141
01:07:47,859 --> 01:07:44,960
that is that I had told them where and

1142
01:07:52,239 --> 01:07:47,869
when he would approach his next victim

1143
01:07:54,160 --> 01:07:52,249
and so they had it was at a park and so

1144
01:07:58,509 --> 01:07:54,170
they had the park surrounded with cop

1145
01:08:00,819 --> 01:07:58,519
cars on the day that he that we had

1146
01:08:04,749 --> 01:08:00,829
predicted well duh

1147
01:08:07,539 --> 01:08:04,759
you know nothing happened and so they

1148
01:08:09,910 --> 01:08:07,549
decided oh well this was a fluke it's

1149
01:08:11,859 --> 01:08:09,920
not gonna happen so the next day they

1150
01:08:17,340 --> 01:08:11,869
weren't there and the next day he came

1151
01:08:23,890 --> 01:08:20,740
and you know I said he's gonna come up

1152
01:08:26,950 --> 01:08:23,900
with a to a part that's surrounded by a

1153
01:08:29,140 --> 01:08:26,960
whole you know surrounded all the way

1154
01:08:31,839 --> 01:08:29,150
with police cars and and do something

1155
01:08:38,289 --> 01:08:34,660
you know maybe shifting gears a little

1156
01:08:42,899 --> 01:08:38,299
bit again since you know since your time

1157
01:08:45,280 --> 01:08:42,909
in private life civilian life I remember

1158
01:08:46,990 --> 01:08:45,290
the last time I did see you which we

1159
01:08:50,499 --> 01:08:47,000
figured out had to be in excess of ten

1160
01:08:54,039 --> 01:08:50,509
years ago we had a conversation and I

1161
01:08:56,649 --> 01:08:54,049
remember it got pretty philosophical and

1162
01:08:59,050 --> 01:08:56,659
a little on the spiritual side yeah

1163
01:09:04,300 --> 01:08:59,060
and I've noticed that a lot of people

1164
01:09:08,890 --> 01:09:04,310
that are involved heavily in military

1165
01:09:11,530 --> 01:09:08,900
secrets and things like that sort of do

1166
01:09:15,220 --> 01:09:11,540
take that sort of turn it seems like and

1167
01:09:17,859 --> 01:09:15,230
see a more spiritual connection and

1168
01:09:21,220 --> 01:09:17,869
maybe that's because we've sort of lost

1169
01:09:23,439 --> 01:09:21,230
the connection between the spiritual and

1170
01:09:26,890 --> 01:09:23,449
science which you know really should

1171
01:09:30,789 --> 01:09:26,900
still be in there but do you feel that

1172
01:09:33,729 --> 01:09:30,799
that happens because of the information

1173
01:09:36,249 --> 01:09:33,739
to which you've been privy and so like

1174
01:09:37,930 --> 01:09:36,259
for instance you you don't seem to have

1175
01:09:41,260 --> 01:09:37,940
any doubt at all you seem to be

1176
01:09:43,720 --> 01:09:41,270
perfectly assured at saying yes the ETS

1177
01:09:47,079 --> 01:09:43,730
are here I know that and I know this

1178
01:09:48,970 --> 01:09:47,089
that the other so that would allow you

1179
01:09:51,550 --> 01:09:48,980
then to have certain other thoughts

1180
01:09:55,149 --> 01:09:51,560
about that it's it because of what you

1181
01:09:57,160 --> 01:09:55,159
know for a fact that has sort of had an

1182
01:10:02,950 --> 01:09:57,170
influence on you in that direction or is

1183
01:10:07,660 --> 01:10:02,960
it well in that direction there is it's

1184
01:10:13,899 --> 01:10:07,670
not only the unit and what we did in the

1185
01:10:20,620 --> 01:10:13,909
unit I had had a an abduction experience

1186
01:10:22,390 --> 01:10:20,630
and full memory of it but then before I

1187
01:10:30,520 --> 01:10:22,400
went to the remote viewing unit

1188
01:10:35,350 --> 01:10:30,530
I had clearances just out you know up

1189
01:10:38,800 --> 01:10:35,360
the ying-yang and and I could program

1190
01:10:42,370 --> 01:10:38,810
computers and I was you know working the

1191
01:10:44,470 --> 01:10:42,380
computers and all in and at the time

1192
01:10:48,580 --> 01:10:44,480
computers were just coming into

1193
01:10:51,190 --> 01:10:48,590
military units and they didn't have

1194
01:10:55,030 --> 01:10:51,200
people who had clearances who could

1195
01:11:00,460 --> 01:10:55,040
program and some of these extremely

1196
01:11:03,280 --> 01:11:00,470
black projects they they couldn't just

1197
01:11:04,990 --> 01:11:03,290
read a programmer on for a day and let

1198
01:11:09,640 --> 01:11:05,000
him do the program and all that and so

1199
01:11:15,360 --> 01:11:09,650
anyway I got called to go around to many

1200
01:11:20,890 --> 01:11:18,130
you know do the programming for them the

1201
01:11:24,280 --> 01:11:20,900
databasing set up and and all this other

1202
01:11:27,520 --> 01:11:24,290
stuff on their brand-new computers which

1203
01:11:33,520 --> 01:11:27,530
they you know were basically in his

1204
01:11:38,170 --> 01:11:33,530
doorstops at the time and so I got the

1205
01:11:46,330 --> 01:11:38,180
chance to meet a few of the aliens I

1206
01:11:53,110 --> 01:11:46,340
have seen too easily officially no they

1207
01:11:58,110 --> 01:11:53,120
don't exist okay but you know I got I

1208
01:12:06,280 --> 01:11:58,120
got a chance to be exposed in a non

1209
01:12:11,050 --> 01:12:06,290
abductee way to too many of the things

1210
01:12:13,570 --> 01:12:11,060
that make it to where you ask if there's

1211
01:12:17,830 --> 01:12:13,580
aliens and ETS and you know flying

1212
01:12:21,340 --> 01:12:17,840
saucers and I can say yeah sure and you

1213
01:12:25,270 --> 01:12:21,350
know the thing is there's a mystique

1214
01:12:29,560 --> 01:12:25,280
about it with everyone but once you made

1215
01:12:35,800 --> 01:12:29,570
them once you see the equipment once you

1216
01:12:38,110 --> 01:12:35,810
see all of that stuff it becomes it

1217
01:12:47,200 --> 01:12:38,120
becomes more commonplace unless mystical

1218
01:12:51,700 --> 01:12:47,210
and so I have no mystical whew about the

1219
01:12:56,140 --> 01:12:51,710
aliens or anything like that there's no

1220
01:12:57,459 --> 01:12:56,150
need for it they're you know they're

1221
01:12:59,739 --> 01:12:57,469
beans

1222
01:13:04,359 --> 01:12:59,749
there do other beings from other places

1223
01:13:07,089 --> 01:13:04,369
and yeah they're just you know when you

1224
01:13:11,229 --> 01:13:07,099
were able to meet them did you

1225
01:13:13,330 --> 01:13:11,239
communicate with them or did you just

1226
01:13:18,520 --> 01:13:13,340
like looking at them through a glass or

1227
01:13:21,399 --> 01:13:18,530
know one or two hmm and how did it make

1228
01:13:26,259 --> 01:13:21,409
you feel it in the moment I thought it

1229
01:13:30,669 --> 01:13:26,269
neat I really did think it was neat

1230
01:13:33,100 --> 01:13:30,679
it wasn't like terrifying or no because

1231
01:13:37,500 --> 01:13:33,110
the ones who deal with the friendly ones

1232
01:13:41,259 --> 01:13:37,510
hmm we tend to shoot at the enemy ones

1233
01:13:45,910 --> 01:13:41,269
and and everybody everybody who watches

1234
01:13:50,620 --> 01:13:45,920
TV I think has seen a shooter at one of

1235
01:13:57,370 --> 01:13:50,630
the unfriendly ones coming in you've

1236
01:14:03,520 --> 01:13:57,380
seen that movie out of the space I think

1237
01:14:07,029 --> 01:14:03,530
I don't think it's out of the cap so I'm

1238
01:14:09,669 --> 01:14:07,039
not sure who took the movie but it's

1239
01:14:11,560 --> 01:14:09,679
there's this light coming across and

1240
01:14:14,049 --> 01:14:11,570
coming toward the earth and all of a

1241
01:14:16,029 --> 01:14:14,059
sudden the thing turns around and heads

1242
01:14:19,600 --> 01:14:16,039
back out just as something shoots across

1243
01:14:23,410 --> 01:14:19,610
the screen mm-hmm do you do you remember

1244
01:14:25,600 --> 01:14:23,420
that one I don't think so it's on TV

1245
01:14:32,109 --> 01:14:25,610
quite often it's on TV more than

1246
01:14:34,180 --> 01:14:32,119
probably any other thing but yeah we we

1247
01:14:35,709 --> 01:14:34,190
shooted the bad guys you know we try to

1248
01:14:40,959 --> 01:14:35,719
keep them oh you're not talking about

1249
01:14:45,819 --> 01:14:40,969
the real footage of the sts-48 it's real

1250
01:14:48,129 --> 01:14:45,829
footage I don't know that there's a you

1251
01:14:51,819 --> 01:14:48,139
know in sts-48 where you see something

1252
01:14:53,589 --> 01:14:51,829
coming out of the ship and then you or

1253
01:14:55,839 --> 01:14:53,599
you see something flying by and it looks

1254
01:15:00,100 --> 01:14:55,849
like the ship is shooting at it yeah

1255
01:15:01,660 --> 01:15:00,110
that's it yeah that's the S no oh it

1256
01:15:05,709 --> 01:15:01,670
doesn't look like the ship is shooting

1257
01:15:08,020 --> 01:15:05,719
at it it looks like the the craft is

1258
01:15:10,060 --> 01:15:08,030
shooting back at the ship no it looks

1259
01:15:12,069 --> 01:15:10,070
like whatever is

1260
01:15:16,930 --> 01:15:12,079
shooting at the ship comes from the

1261
01:15:19,120 --> 01:15:16,940
earth oh oh oh there's across the screen

1262
01:15:23,020 --> 01:15:19,130
and that thing turns around and heads

1263
01:15:25,120 --> 01:15:23,030
back out to get out of the way right oh

1264
01:15:29,229 --> 01:15:25,130
yeah I think I know what you're talking

1265
01:15:30,129 --> 01:15:29,239
about yeah that one you know that's

1266
01:15:32,770 --> 01:15:30,139
crazy

1267
01:15:37,149 --> 01:15:32,780
oh we protect ourselves you know yeah is

1268
01:15:38,919 --> 01:15:37,159
that the like the Battle of LA I don't

1269
01:15:41,859 --> 01:15:38,929
know if you've seen that that happened

1270
01:15:44,350 --> 01:15:41,869
in 1952 I think here in Los Angeles

1271
01:15:47,500 --> 01:15:44,360
where there was you know craft coming in

1272
01:15:50,470 --> 01:15:47,510
and lights shot at it yeah the other

1273
01:15:52,569 --> 01:15:50,480
some actual photographs from the

1274
01:15:54,819 --> 01:15:52,579
newspapers on that yeah it's called

1275
01:16:01,390 --> 01:15:54,829
there was they made a couple films out

1276
01:16:04,720 --> 01:16:01,400
of it called the Battle of LA and along

1277
01:16:08,290 --> 01:16:04,730
that line the chatroom duress if you

1278
01:16:11,410 --> 01:16:08,300
think that Eisenhower cut a deal with ET

1279
01:16:19,109 --> 01:16:11,420
to inhabit earth and perhaps take humans

1280
01:16:25,209 --> 01:16:22,750
I've accepted it I know it's real and

1281
01:16:26,250 --> 01:16:25,219
all that and I also know that I can't do

1282
01:16:30,390 --> 01:16:26,260
anything about it

1283
01:16:34,479 --> 01:16:30,400
and you know it doesn't involve me and

1284
01:16:38,850 --> 01:16:34,489
you know I would like to abduct one of

1285
01:16:47,229 --> 01:16:42,370
it just it's not really an interest of

1286
01:16:57,640 --> 01:16:47,239
mine been there done that seen it didn't

1287
01:17:00,879 --> 01:16:57,650
get a t-shirt a t-shirt you know as my

1288
01:17:06,600 --> 01:17:00,889
day goes I'm interested in bringing kids

1289
01:17:11,189 --> 01:17:06,610
home I'm interested in we do a lot of I

1290
01:17:15,819 --> 01:17:11,199
personally do a lot of space exploration

1291
01:17:23,250 --> 01:17:15,829
sessions projects lunar development

1292
01:17:28,570 --> 01:17:23,260
projects and so on and for clients yes

1293
01:17:31,390 --> 01:17:28,580
are you able to say who no this is one

1294
01:17:33,670 --> 01:17:31,400
thing you know Oh out on the internet

1295
01:17:34,450 --> 01:17:33,680
people say well how come we never heard

1296
01:17:36,160 --> 01:17:34,460
of any of this

1297
01:17:39,970 --> 01:17:36,170
well have you ever heard of

1298
01:17:41,440 --> 01:17:39,980
non-disclosure agreements yeah you know

1299
01:17:44,890 --> 01:17:41,450
nobody's gonna pay you if you're gonna

1300
01:17:48,610 --> 01:17:44,900
go out and talk all over the place so

1301
01:17:51,490 --> 01:17:48,620
mainly you're still interested in you

1302
01:17:55,120 --> 01:17:51,500
know in helping agencies bring home

1303
01:17:56,890 --> 01:17:55,130
missing kids and yes murder cases things

1304
01:17:59,860 --> 01:17:56,900
like that kind of bring some peace to

1305
01:18:01,840 --> 01:17:59,870
some families yeah and get bad guys off

1306
01:18:05,530 --> 01:18:01,850
the street this is this is something I

1307
01:18:09,310 --> 01:18:05,540
can do something about so they're flying

1308
01:18:13,810 --> 01:18:09,320
saucers going over okay what does that

1309
01:18:17,520 --> 01:18:13,820
involve with me that doesn't really so

1310
01:18:20,980 --> 01:18:17,530
do you say that you're you've been also

1311
01:18:25,000 --> 01:18:20,990
involved in space exploration and is

1312
01:18:28,030 --> 01:18:25,010
that for various reasons one of them

1313
01:18:31,810 --> 01:18:28,040
possibly being like colonization or oh

1314
01:18:36,400 --> 01:18:31,820
yeah looking for places to go yeah one

1315
01:18:41,290 --> 01:18:36,410
of the one of the earliest we got was

1316
01:18:44,650 --> 01:18:41,300
they wanted to know how to build a

1317
01:18:48,520 --> 01:18:44,660
temporary structure that would be fairly

1318
01:18:50,140 --> 01:18:48,530
safe on the moon to house the people who

1319
01:18:55,540 --> 01:18:50,150
were then going to build a permanent

1320
01:18:59,440 --> 01:18:55,550
structure on the moon and so we kind of

1321
01:19:02,380 --> 01:18:59,450
cheated actually what we did was we went

1322
01:19:04,000 --> 01:19:02,390
forward in time and described the

1323
01:19:08,650 --> 01:19:04,010
temporary structure that was already

1324
01:19:12,610 --> 01:19:08,660
built in the future and and that's what

1325
01:19:17,490 --> 01:19:12,620
we reported and it winds up that if you

1326
01:19:22,180 --> 01:19:17,500
take properly constructed plastic and

1327
01:19:26,680 --> 01:19:22,190
stretch it over a small crater you can

1328
01:19:28,750 --> 01:19:26,690
fill the crater with with air and you

1329
01:19:32,290 --> 01:19:28,760
know you tie the plastic down and seal

1330
01:19:36,190 --> 01:19:32,300
it but you you have a working space

1331
01:19:39,340 --> 01:19:36,200
inside and it has to be

1332
01:19:41,200 --> 01:19:39,350
plastic you know that will specialized

1333
01:19:44,650 --> 01:19:41,210
plastic that would get rid of radiation

1334
01:19:49,650 --> 01:19:44,660
and all and if a small meteorite comes

1335
01:19:58,350 --> 01:19:52,930
you you take duct tape of the Heron and

1336
01:20:02,730 --> 01:19:58,360
seal the hole and and this company that

1337
01:20:05,140 --> 01:20:02,740
that had tasked us with that was just

1338
01:20:07,810 --> 01:20:05,150
ecstatic over the fact that they could

1339
01:20:09,640 --> 01:20:07,820
take a roll of plastic and a bunch of

1340
01:20:15,490 --> 01:20:09,650
rolls of duct tape up there and have a

1341
01:20:17,400 --> 01:20:15,500
temporary station and in fact oh I don't

1342
01:20:21,970 --> 01:20:17,410
know if I should say this or not but

1343
01:20:26,950 --> 01:20:21,980
friend of mine works at JPL and last

1344
01:20:32,170 --> 01:20:26,960
time I was there he showed me a video of

1345
01:20:35,470 --> 01:20:32,180
a recent flyover and he said he said

1346
01:20:38,200 --> 01:20:35,480
watch watch the surface and I said wait

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01:20:40,150 --> 01:20:38,210
a minute wait a minute back up and he

1348
01:20:45,940 --> 01:20:40,160
backed it up and there is a crater with

1349
01:20:50,050 --> 01:20:45,950
a big plastic cover over it oh wow isn't

1350
01:20:52,560 --> 01:20:50,060
that something that is wild now we're

1351
01:20:55,240 --> 01:20:52,570
getting close to the end of the show but

1352
01:20:57,880 --> 01:20:55,250
the chat rooms buzzing so I wanted to

1353
01:21:01,060 --> 01:20:57,890
get in a couple more questions one of

1354
01:21:02,650 --> 01:21:01,070
them being about time travel asking if

1355
01:21:05,170 --> 01:21:02,660
you can time travel and remote well I

1356
01:21:08,290 --> 01:21:05,180
know that you can you can you can remote

1357
01:21:11,200 --> 01:21:08,300
view past present and future is that

1358
01:21:14,650 --> 01:21:11,210
right you can remote view the past with

1359
01:21:19,090 --> 01:21:14,660
a great amount of frequency of accuracy

1360
01:21:26,050 --> 01:21:19,100
and also the present now the future has

1361
01:21:31,020 --> 01:21:26,060
what we call a paradoxical tasking if if

1362
01:21:33,460 --> 01:21:31,030
I look at myself tomorrow afternoon and

1363
01:21:37,630 --> 01:21:33,470
I find that I'm laying in the morgue

1364
01:21:40,810 --> 01:21:37,640
because I was in a car wreck I'm not

1365
01:21:43,960 --> 01:21:40,820
getting in the car right I'm staying

1366
01:21:47,880 --> 01:21:43,970
home tomorrow okay well change that will

1367
01:21:49,530 --> 01:21:47,890
change you can change the future and and

1368
01:21:52,820 --> 01:21:49,540
many

1369
01:21:57,209 --> 01:21:52,830
simply viewing the future will change it

1370
01:21:59,790 --> 01:21:57,219
it's just like the weatherman predicts

1371
01:22:01,350 --> 01:21:59,800
the weather and then he has updates well

1372
01:22:04,740 --> 01:22:01,360
you have to do the same thing in remote

1373
01:22:07,770 --> 01:22:04,750
viewing and so you know I can predict

1374
01:22:10,830 --> 01:22:07,780
something with a great amount of

1375
01:22:14,280 --> 01:22:10,840
accuracy if nobody acts on it that if

1376
01:22:16,350 --> 01:22:14,290
somebody acts on that prediction then

1377
01:22:18,780 --> 01:22:16,360
you've saved lives

1378
01:22:22,500 --> 01:22:18,790
you've saved money you've made right

1379
01:22:26,300 --> 01:22:22,510
decisions and so on whereas you would

1380
01:22:30,660 --> 01:22:26,310
have made a wrong decision and and

1381
01:22:34,979 --> 01:22:30,670
you're better off for it but the viewing

1382
01:22:38,700 --> 01:22:34,989
was wrong got it yeah one last question

1383
01:22:41,780 --> 01:22:38,710
from the chat room is ask Lynn about

1384
01:22:45,450 --> 01:22:41,790
remote viewing the events of 9/11

1385
01:22:50,390 --> 01:22:45,460
anybody to ask you with that they

1386
01:22:53,760 --> 01:22:50,400
haven't asked me with it and in fact I

1387
01:22:59,700 --> 01:22:53,770
volunteered for that and they shied away

1388
01:23:02,790 --> 01:22:59,710
from tasking me with it people it was to

1389
01:23:07,740 --> 01:23:02,800
me yeah people have done it on their own

1390
01:23:14,280 --> 01:23:07,750
and come up with wildly varying things

1391
01:23:15,990 --> 01:23:14,290
but there's a lot of agreement and what

1392
01:23:19,979 --> 01:23:16,000
many of the people who do it on their

1393
01:23:22,500 --> 01:23:19,989
own find the the question I have for a

1394
01:23:26,250 --> 01:23:22,510
person who does it on their own and then

1395
01:23:29,370 --> 01:23:26,260
reports what they kind did they know

1396
01:23:31,350 --> 01:23:29,380
what the target was and that logic led

1397
01:23:34,290 --> 01:23:31,360
them to you know pollute their own

1398
01:23:38,640 --> 01:23:34,300
session what is their training and

1399
01:23:42,089 --> 01:23:38,650
experience oh did they really do remote

1400
01:23:44,189 --> 01:23:42,099
viewing or did they do crystal ball

1401
01:23:49,350 --> 01:23:44,199
remote viewing or something else you

1402
01:23:52,919 --> 01:23:49,360
know so generally when somebody comes

1403
01:23:57,229 --> 01:23:52,929
and says i remote viewed the 911 I

1404
01:24:02,700 --> 01:24:01,109
so since you weren't asked to do it you

1405
01:24:05,100 --> 01:24:02,710
didn't do it

1406
01:24:06,660 --> 01:24:05,110
right that's right yeah because you

1407
01:24:08,130 --> 01:24:06,670
couldn't just do it on your own because

1408
01:24:09,900 --> 01:24:08,140
then you would know already what the

1409
01:24:11,880 --> 01:24:09,910
target is and that would pollute the

1410
01:24:14,459 --> 01:24:11,890
session actually that's one of the

1411
01:24:16,020 --> 01:24:14,469
fallacies about remote viewing is that

1412
01:24:17,430 --> 01:24:16,030
if you know what the target is you're

1413
01:24:21,440 --> 01:24:17,440
going to pollute and that's true for

1414
01:24:24,360 --> 01:24:21,450
beginners and experienced remote viewer

1415
01:24:27,570 --> 01:24:24,370
can be told all kinds of stuff about the

1416
01:24:33,890 --> 01:24:27,580
target and can weed that stuff out of

1417
01:24:40,890 --> 01:24:37,470
because the unknown is what nobody's

1418
01:24:43,140 --> 01:24:40,900
told him about or they've told him what

1419
01:24:45,810 --> 01:24:43,150
they believe the unknown is when you

1420
01:24:48,360 --> 01:24:45,820
dump all that stuff too you know you you

1421
01:24:49,979 --> 01:24:48,370
tell yourself hey if they knew what the

1422
01:24:54,570 --> 01:24:49,989
answer was they wouldn't be here asking

1423
01:24:58,800 --> 01:24:54,580
me yeah yeah that's true

1424
01:25:01,350 --> 01:24:58,810
now we've got just about looks like

1425
01:25:03,360 --> 01:25:01,360
three and a half minutes to go I want to

1426
01:25:06,810 --> 01:25:03,370
remind everyone about your book the

1427
01:25:11,010 --> 01:25:06,820
seventh sense and also your website is

1428
01:25:14,220 --> 01:25:11,020
see our viewer com so look look Lynn up

1429
01:25:16,860 --> 01:25:14,230
and find out about training and all that

1430
01:25:19,740 --> 01:25:16,870
kind of stuff and history and by the

1431
01:25:22,410 --> 01:25:19,750
book and do all that really good stuff

1432
01:25:25,790 --> 01:25:22,420
what have you got coming up are you

1433
01:25:29,310 --> 01:25:25,800
working on a particular thing right now

1434
01:25:33,330 --> 01:25:29,320
due to my wife's health and all I have

1435
01:25:37,590 --> 01:25:33,340
quit teaching classes and going out you

1436
01:25:40,459 --> 01:25:37,600
know on teaching tours but I am now

1437
01:25:44,459 --> 01:25:40,469
developing online training and

1438
01:25:50,010 --> 01:25:44,469
instructional videos the online training

1439
01:25:52,110 --> 01:25:50,020
is going to be just hundreds of short

1440
01:25:55,380 --> 01:25:52,120
short videos each one about a certain

1441
01:25:57,090 --> 01:25:55,390
topic so that a person if they want to

1442
01:26:00,630 --> 01:25:57,100
review it will not have to wade through

1443
01:26:05,370 --> 01:26:00,640
two hours of a video to find the one-act

1444
01:26:08,070 --> 01:26:05,380
they want and I am convinced that you

1445
01:26:11,580 --> 01:26:08,080
cannot learn controlled remote viewing

1446
01:26:13,650 --> 01:26:11,590
without some interaction with the

1447
01:26:16,190 --> 01:26:13,660
teacher and soon buddy who takes the

1448
01:26:20,430 --> 01:26:16,200
online training where

1449
01:26:25,650 --> 01:26:20,440
watch the videos and then we will have a

1450
01:26:27,570 --> 01:26:25,660
class on them and so this you know and

1451
01:26:29,460 --> 01:26:27,580
it will that be an online class or will

1452
01:26:32,430 --> 01:26:29,470
that be where they'll travel to you and

1453
01:26:35,430 --> 01:26:32,440
know it'll be an online class that will

1454
01:26:39,510 --> 01:26:35,440
let me stay home with my family yeah and

1455
01:26:42,770 --> 01:26:39,520
and also I've got a lifetime's worth of

1456
01:26:46,470 --> 01:26:42,780
inventions waiting to be invented and

1457
01:26:49,680 --> 01:26:46,480
poems and stories and books waiting to

1458
01:26:53,370 --> 01:26:49,690
be written and and a garden that needs

1459
01:26:56,190 --> 01:26:53,380
to be grown and it's time I'm 78 years

1460
01:26:59,370 --> 01:26:56,200
old oh you gotta be kidding me

1461
01:27:03,180 --> 01:26:59,380
76 hey I'm yesterday used to be you're

1462
01:27:06,020 --> 01:27:03,190
younger and you thought yeah and you

1463
01:27:12,650 --> 01:27:06,030
know it's it's time to to stop and

1464
01:27:17,820 --> 01:27:12,660
besides that by now I have six extremely

1465
01:27:20,310 --> 01:27:17,830
good teachers and they're experienced in

1466
01:27:22,050 --> 01:27:20,320
the remote viewing and they all have

1467
01:27:26,220 --> 01:27:22,060
companies of their own so I don't get

1468
01:27:29,160 --> 01:27:26,230
anything from referring people to them

1469
01:27:31,800 --> 01:27:29,170
but I know that if I refer people to

1470
01:27:34,760 --> 01:27:31,810
them they're going to get the real stuff

1471
01:27:38,610 --> 01:27:34,770
and it's going to be well trained well

1472
01:27:41,820 --> 01:27:38,620
the music's rolling land at a time thank

1473
01:27:43,680 --> 01:27:41,830
you so much Lynn Buchanan for taking the

1474
01:27:45,860 --> 01:27:43,690
time to join us please give our love to

1475
01:27:48,210 --> 01:27:45,870
Linda you're a real lovely wife and

1476
01:27:51,870 --> 01:27:48,220
we're wishing her all the best in